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Nazi Waffen S.S.scum Kurt Meyer war criminal/murderer!
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2011-10-04 04:03:21 UTC
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Trial for war crimes Kurt Meyer was held as a prisoner of war until
December 1945, when in the town of Aurich Germany he was put on trial
for war crimes relating to the shooting of Allied prisoners in
Normandy. The charges were that:

1. Prior to 7 June 1944, Meyer had incited troops under his command to
deny quarter to surrendering Allied soldiers.
2. On or around 7 June 1944, Meyer was responsible for his troops
killing twenty-three prisoners of war at Buron and Authie.
3. On or around 8 June 1944, Meyer ordered his troops to kill seven
prisoners of war at his headquarters at the Abbaye Ardenne.
4. On or around 8 June 1944, Meyer was responsible for his troops
killing seven prisoners of war, as above.
5. On or around 8 June 1944, Meyer was responsible for his troops
killing eleven prisoners of war, as above.
The third and fourth charges referred to the same event; the fourth
charge was provided as an alternative to the third, in case the
killings were found to be a war crime but he was not found to have
ordered them. The fifth charge related to a separate group of
prisoners; in this case, the prosecution did not allege he had
directly ordered their deaths. In total, Meyer was charged with the
responsibility for the deaths of twenty-three prisoners on 7 June, and
eighteen more on 8 June.[13] He pled not guilty to all five charges.
[14]

A second charge sheet, which accused him of responsibility for the
death of seven Canadian prisoners of war at Mouen on 8 June 1944, was
prepared but, after the successful conclusion of the first trial, it
was decided not to try the second set of charges.[14] No charges were
laid against him regarding allegations of previous war crimes in
Poland or in the Ukraine; the Canadian court was constituted only to
deal with crimes committed against Canadian nationals.[15]


Kurt Meyer stands trial in Aurich, Germany for 5 counts of war crimes
in December 1945.The court was the first major Canadian war crimes
trial, and faced a number of hurdles before it could be convened.
Chief among these was the fact that, as the accused was a general
officer, he had to be tried by soldiers of equal rank, and finding
sufficient Canadian generals able to sit was difficult. The court, as
eventually constituted, had four brigadiers - one, Ian Johnston, a
lawyer in civilian life - and was presided over by Major General H. W.
Foster, former commander of the 7th Canadian Infantry Brigade in
Normandy.[16]

Following eyewitness statements by both German and Canadian soldiers,
as well as French civilians, the trial found Meyer guilty of the
first, fourth and fifth charges, but acquitted of the second and
third. This meant that he was deemed guilty of inciting his troops to
give no quarter to the enemy, and of the responsibility for his troops
killing eighteen prisoners at the Abbaye Ardenne, but not responsible
for the killings of twenty-three at Buron and Authie; whilst he was
held responsible for the deaths at the Abbaye Ardenne, he was
acquitted of directly ordering the killings.[14] In Meyer's closing
statement before sentencing, he chose not to ask for clemency, but
instead defended the record of his unit and the innocence of his
soldiers, and closed by saying that "by the Canadian Army I was
treated as a soldier and that the proceedings were fairly
conducted."[17]

Whilst most observers expected a sentence of some years imprisonment -
the court had not found him guilty of directly ordering the murders,
but merely of tacitly condoning them - the court sentenced Meyer to
death; one of the five judges, Bell-Irving, later commented that he
believed a guilty sentence required the death penalty and that no
lesser sentence was permissible.[18] The sentence was subject to
confirmation by higher command, and whilst Meyer was originally
willing to accept it, he was persuaded by his wife and by his defence
counsel to appeal. The appeal was reviewed by Canadian headquarters
and dismissed by Major-General Christopher Vokes, the official
convening authority for the court, who noted that he could not see a
clear way to mitigate the sentence imposed by the court.[19]

However, shortly before the sentence was to be carried out, the
prosecutor realised that the trial regulations contained a section
allowing for a final appeal to "the senior combatant officer in the
theatre", and on making enquiries found that no-one had completed such
a review. The execution was postponed whilst a review could be carried
out; somewhat oddly, the senior officer was found to be the commander
of Canadian forces in Europe, the same Christopher Vokes who had just
dismissed Meyer's appeal.[20] On encountering the appeal for a second
time, Vokes had second thoughts, and began a flurry of meetings with
senior officials to discuss how he should proceed. Vokes' main concern
was the degree to which a commander should be held responsible for the
actions of his men, feeling that it was not simply enough for a
commander to fail to prevent such killings. The consensus which
emerged from the discussions was that death was an appropriate
sentence only when "the offence was conclusively shown to have
resulted from the direct act of the commander or by his ommission to
act."[21] Discussing the case, Vokes conceded that "there isn't a
general or colonel on the Allied side that I know of who hasn't said,
'Well, this time we don't want any prisoners'"; indeed, he himself had
ordered the shooting of two prisoners in 1943 before his divisional
commander intervened.[22]

After his deliberations, Vokes commuted the sentence to one of life
imprisonment, stating that he felt Meyer's level of responsibility for
the crimes did not warrant the death penalty. Following his reprieve,
a Communist-operated German newspaper reported that the Soviet Union
was considering putting Meyer on trial for alleged war crimes
committed at Kharkov. However, little more was heard of this, and in
April, Meyer was transported to Canada to begin his sentence.[23]

[edit] Later lifeMeyer served five years in Dorchester Penitentiary,
in New Brunswick, Canada where he worked in the library and learned
English.[24] He petitioned for clemency in late 1950 - somewhat
surprisingly including an offer to serve in a Canadian or United
Nations military force if released - and was partially supported: the
government was willing to let him return to a German prison but not to
release him outright. He was transferred to a British military prison
in Werl, West Germany in 1951.[25] He was released from prison on
September 7, 1954 after the German government received advice to
reduce his sentence to fourteen years. He had now spent nearly ten
years in prison and factoring in the conventional reduction of a third
for good behaviour, he was eligible for release as having served his
sentence.[26]

He took a job working as a distributor for the Andreas Brewery in
Hagen. Ironically, one of his major clients was the Canadian army mess
at Soest, where he spent much time as a guest. Meyer became active in
the Waffen-SS veteran's organization HIAG, and was outspoken in its
battle to have war pensions awarded to former members of the Waffen-
SS. His memoirs, Grenadiere (1956), were published as part of this
campaign and were a glorification of the SS's part in the war as well
as of his role in it.[27]

Politically, whilst he defended the role of the SS, he was more
conciliatory; he told a reporter just after his arrival in Germany in
1951 that nationalism was past and that "a United Europe is now the
only answer".[28] At a HIAG rally in 1957, he announced that whilst he
stood behind his old commanders, Hitler had made many mistakes and it
was now time to look to the future, not to the past.[27] He did not
pursue a political career, partly due to ill-health; he needed a cane
to walk, and suffered from heart disease and kidney problems.[27]

After a series of mild strokes, he died of a heart attack in Hagen,
Westphalia on December 23, 1961, his 51st birthday. Fifteen thousand
people attended Kurt Meyer's funeral in Hagen. A cushion-bearer bore
his medals.[29]
f***@gmail.com
2018-08-29 05:10:12 UTC
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Load of shit an honorable soldier the real scum are you people who tar every soldier with the same brush
Heinrich
2018-09-12 15:41:43 UTC
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Post by f***@gmail.com
Load of shit an honorable soldier the real scum are you people who tar every soldier with the same brush
My pappy was a Waffen SS man. His crime? He was in combat against CCCP forces.
He spent 9 years in the Soviet prison system. And survived.
People who tarnish all SS men as being criminals are what Lenin referred to as
'useful idiots'. Morons the lot.
The Peeler
2018-09-12 17:32:02 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 08:41:43 -0700 (PDT), "Moose in Love with Nazi Scum"
Post by Heinrich
My pappy was a Waffen SS man. His crime? He was in combat against CCCP forces.
He spent 9 years in the Soviet prison system. And survived.
Too bad! As he could still spawn a miserable drug-addled sucker of nazi cock
like you, Mooooseshit!
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